Dr. Ted Beahr, who wants Hollywood to make only fundamentalist-approved movies, is having a hissy fit on WND. No surprise I know; it’s one hissy fit after another over there in the land of despair so it’s ideal place for him to post. He’s up in arms over the alleged “homosexualization” of America. I suppose he means as opposed to the “theocratization” of America, the former (the granting of equal rights) versus the latter (the abrogation of those rights).
The Family Research Council’s response to the marriage law is bad enough:
“Enormous political coercion has resulted in a profound failure of moral courage in the New York Senate. A clear majority of the people of New York oppose counterfeit ‘marriage,’ but Gov. Cuomo and anti-family lawmakers have shown that their allegiance is to a small but vocal minority seeking to redefine marriage and family.”
Small but vocal minority? Try majority, Tony. A clear majority of the people of New York support marriage equality.
So alright, Tony is dishonest and/or out of touch, nothing new. But Dr. Beahr’s claim that New York has no right to pass laws in its own state and that the legislators who did so ought to be arrested and tried is more than a little bizarre.
Beahr is not only denying rights to a segment of the population but denying the state the right to grant those rights. All the while he is complaining that his rights are being taken away by the granting of those rights (?). It’s almost too incoherent for me to follow.
I think calling fulfilling the promise of the Constitution, that all are equal before the law and enjoy the same rights “homosexualization” a little bizarre but then this is WND we are talking about. Let’s look at some of his complaints. I will direct my answers at Dr. Beahr:
On July 25, 2011, MSNBC and the other undereducated, misinformed and politicized news media proclaimed, “N.Y. becomes sixth and largest state to legalize gay marriage.” Of course, this is the same group of fellow travelers and useful idiots who misapply the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution to the respective states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” to deny Christians and soon Jews the freedom of worship, when the clause plainly recognizes the inalienable freedom of worship.
(See what I mean about hissy fit?) Dr. Beahr, as far as “undereducated, misinformed and politicized” goes, you’re the blue ribbon holder. I don’t know, honestly, how you got through college. For the record, the Supreme Court has upheld the application of the First Amendment to the states and the 14th Amendment guarantees that the states shall not abridge our constitutional rights. You should know this. Or are you simply being willfully ignorant in the name of ideology?
If you could please list any cases where Christians and/or Jews have lost their freedom of worship, please inform us. Nobody has deprived anyone of the freedom of worship – well, except for Christian churches that won’t allow members of the LGBT community to be part of their congregation.
We have a long list of laws and restrictions formulated by fundamentalist Christianity against the rest of us (collectively, the “Other”) since the 2010 elections alone, but there are no laws anywhere that I am aware of that would restrict your religion.
Traditionally, Dr. Beahr, since the publication of the Theodosian Code in the fifth century C.E. your group is known as the persecutors, not the persecuted. And with good reason. You might want to catch up your history. You’re embarrassing yourself here.
Pages could be, have been and should be written about the progressive Marxist destruction of the American constitutional republic. And pages could be, have been and should be written about the destructive nature of the homosexualization of the culture.
Whoa! Where did Karl Marx come in? That was from out of right field! Produce some of those pages, please, Dr. Beahr (not written by Bryan Fischer or Tony Perkins). The American republic is under attack, but it is under attack by the forces of Christian fundamentalist theocracy, represented here by you.
With regard to the illegal action of the New York state government, it is more important to understand clearly that the civil government has no authority in area of the free exercise of religion such as marriage. If it has no authority and tries to exercise power not vested to it, then the state is acting illegally.
Oh dear. You really do insist on being stupid, don’t you? Dr. Beahr is complaining that the state has no right to perform marriages through justices of the piece. You see where he is going with this don’t you? If gay folks can’t get married that way, they can’t get married at all because only churches would then have the right to marry people.
We need to stand for God’s law in the face of the power grab by those in civil authority who know no restraints.
Go ahead and follow your god’s law. It’s nothing to me if you do. The only power grab going on is that being attempted by fundamentalist Christians in this country. You want to destroy the power of the federal government so churches can step in and perform the tasks traditionally performed by the government i.e. helping its citizens. I call that a power grab by the religious authorities who know no restraints.
New York and the other increasingly socialized states have not only violated God’s law, they have also violated their own Constitution and the will of the governed. When they do that, they are just like King George. They have abdicated their moral and legal authority and are subject to indictment, trial and just punishment.
First, please explain how passing this law violates their Constitution. Second, how does violating the Ten Commandments (which this law does not) subject a person to civil law? The Ten Commandments are not part of (nor the basis for) the American legal system.
Also, the will of the governed? You’re wrong, Dr. Beahr (and this goes for Tony Perkins too) and I suspect you know it. New York Magazine reported in January of this year: “According to the latest Quinnipiac poll, a record 56 percent of New Yorkers believe same sex couples should be legally allowed to marriage. (This is an improvement of five points from a year and a half ago). Only 37 percent remain opposed, with the remainder undecided.” By June, that number was up to 58 percent approval according to a still more recent Quinnipiac poll. Sounds to me like New York obeyed the will of the governed, or does math work differently in your universe? (okay, okay, probably best if you don’t answer that…)
Now, all those who freely exercise their inalienable right to religious faith must stop acting like useful idiots and fellow travelers by going along to get along. Instead, they must stand for their God-given rights by proclaiming loud and clear that these New York government servants have crossed the line into illegal activity that has no authority and makes them criminals.
Here you go again with the illegal activity nonsense, Dr. Beahr. You first must justify this claim before repeating it ad nauseam. Your say-so is not enough. And nobody has violated anyone’s “God-given” rights. You are still free to marry a person of the opposite sex. Nobody is forcing you into a same-sex marriage against your will. This is an addition of rights; not a subtraction. You guys always think the way to add rights is to take them away.
You know, the term “batshit crazy” applies to more than Michele Bachmann, right?
Often, people of faith and values do not stand up because they have been slowly boiled in the brine of socialism and so give the states powers they have no authority to use.
I thought you were the clowns who were arguing for States Rights vs. federal law and authority? Now you want it the other way? Do you want the federal government to intervene and somehow overturn the New York law? Think carefully about how you answer.
Now the people must throw off the stupor of Marxist doublespeak and return to the basic principles that made them free to live at peace in the American republic that recognizes “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Was Marx opposed to same-sex marriage or are you just talking out your blowhole at this point? The LGBT community wants to enjoy “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” and you demonstrably want to deny them equal status before the Constitution. Since the Constitution says we are all equal before the law, I don’t see how you can claim to be on the side of the Constitution.
As Marx proclaimed, “The power to tax is the power to destroy.” Do not let it destroy godly marriage and families!
I thought it was Marxist “doublespeak” and now you’re quoting him? Are you really proclaiming that Marx knew what he was talking about? I thought only Marxists believed that. Now you are really talking out your blowhole. I’ve got to say, in closing, that I’m impressed that you’d publicly parade your ignorance like this.